On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:38:42 -0000, "pearl" <tea@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>"Gloria" <letsstandup2bullies@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:00:18 -0000, "pearl" <tea@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrote:
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>> >"Gloria" <letsstandup2bullies@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> Looking to find a supplier for B12 nuggets and came across Boots
>> >> Herbal Stores which actually translates to www.solgar.co.uk
>> >>
>> >> Is this the same SOLGAR there were complaints about here?
>> >>
>> >> Message-ID: <2a3186b8.0107030422.14fc485@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> http://tinyurl.com/3ak6lt
which is a 2001 post and the links have
long
>> >> since expired, however the Internet archive has a few pages left
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/36ew3v
>> >>
>> >> The solgar website states
>> >> www.solgar.co.uk is owned and operated by Boots Herbal Stores in the
>> >> UK
>> >>
>> >> I see there have also been concerns about old claims they made (now
>> >> dropped) about Vitamin D3 being veggie!
>> >>
>> >> So what's the current news on these people?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Who do you use for your vitamins? (UK)
>> >
>> >I'm in Ireland, but one suggestion is to check the range available in
>> >your local health food shop and look at the labels. Another option is
>> >to order direct from a sound company. A search I just did online
>> >gave me this for example:
>> >
>> >'Green Valley is a natural health company dedicated to meeting the
>> >needs of the health conscious and ethically concerned consumers of
>> >the UK and beyond.
>> >
>> >All of the vitamins, nutritional supplements, herbal remedies and
natural
>> >products that we supply contain ingredients that are as natural as
possible.
>> >In short, our products are good for you and good for the environment.
>> >This means that you can purchase from Green Valley with confidence,
>> >knowing that you are sup****ting a company that shares your ethical
beliefs.
>> >
>> >Every vitamin, supplement and natural product is suitable for a
vegetarian
>> >or vegan diet (many are registered with the Vegetarian society and
Vegan
>> >society too.)
>> >...'
>> >http://www.gvtc.co.uk/
>> >
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Not very impressed with their apparent lack of knowledge on B12
>> though!
>>
>> "Vitamin B12 is part of the water soluble B-Complex and is not stored
>> in the body.
>
>I see what you mean. Vitamin B12 is stored in the liver.
>
>> Vitamin B12 is considered a generic term for a group of
>> compunds called Corrinoids that have a cobalt atom at their centre.
>> Cyanocobalamin is the most well known form of Vitamin B12. Vegetarians
>> and vegans may have an increased need for this vitamin as it does not
>> appear to be bio-available from vegetable sources and is found almost
>> exclusively in animal tissues"
>
>Emphasis added -
>
>'Suzuki1 (1995, Japan) studied 6 vegan children eating a genmai-
>saishoku (GS) diet, which is based on high intakes of brown rice
>and contains plenty of sea vegetables, including 2-4 g of nori
>per day ("dried laver"); as well as hijiki, wakame, and kombu.
>The foods are *organically grown* and many are *high in
>cobalt* (buckwheat, adzuki beans, kidney beans, ****itake, hijiki).
>Serum B12 levels of the children are shown:
>
>Results of Suzuki.1
>age(yrs) years vegan sB12
>7.1 4.4 520
>7.7 4.4 720
>8.6A 8.6 480
>8.8A 8.8 300
>12.7 10 320
>14.6 10 320
>average 443 (± 164)
Blimey they're great figures. Considering the norm is supposedly
around 200!
>A - Exclusively breast-fed until 6 months old. Mothers had been
>vegan for 9.6 and 6.5 yrs prior to conception. Both mothers
>consumed 2 g of nori per day.
>..'
>http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/plant
>
>'The Bacterial Flora of Humans
>..
>'(8) While E. coli is a consistent resident of the small intestine,
>many other enteric bacteria may reside here as well, including
>Klebsiella, Enterobacter and Citrobacter.
>
>1. The normal flora synthesize and excrete vitamins in excess of
>their own needs, which can be absorbed as nutrients by the host.
>For example, enteric bacteria secrete Vitamin K and Vitamin B12,
>and lactic acid bacteria produce certain B-vitamins.
>.. '
>http://textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html
>
>The B12-Cobalt Connection
>http://www.championtrees.org/topsoil/b12coblt.htm
>
>'Mineral content: This may be the most im****tant nutritional difference
>between organic and regular produce since heavy use of fertilizer
inhibits
>absorption of some minerals, which are likely to be at lower levels to
>begin with in soils that have been abused. This may be caused in part
>by the lack of beneficial mycorrhizae fungi on the roots since high
levels
>of fertilizer tend to kill them. Standard diets tend to be low in
various
>minerals, resulting in a variety of problems including osteo****osis.
>..'
>http://math.ucsd.edu/~ebender/Health%20&%20Nutrition/Foods/organic.html
>
>For the 'omnivores' reading this...
>
>'Are You Vitamin B12 Deficient?
>
> Nearly two-fifths of the U.S. population may be flirting with
>marginal vitamin B12 status-that is, if a careful look at nearly 3,000
>men and women in the ongoing Framingham (Massachusetts)
>Offspring Study is any indication. Researchers found that 39 percent
>of the volunteers have plasma B12 levels in the "low normal" range-
>below 258 picomoles per liter (pmol/L).
>
> While this is well above the currently accepted deficiency level
>of 148 pmol/L, some people exhibit neurological symptoms at the
>upper level of the deficiency range, explains study leader Katherine
>L. Tucker. She is a nutritional epidemiologist at the Jean Mayer
>USDA Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging at Tufts
>University in Boston.
>
> "I think there's a lot of undetected vitamin B12 deficiency out there,"
>says Tucker. She noted that nearly 9 percent of the study population
>fell below the current deficiency level. And more than 16 percent fell
>below 185 pmol/L. "Many people may be deficient at this level,"
>she says. "There is some question as to what the clinical cutoff for
>deficiency should be."
>
> Deficiency can cause a type of anemia marked by fewer but larger
>red blood cells. It can also cause walking and balance disturbances,
>a loss of vibration sensation, confusion, and, in advanced cases,
>dementia. The body requires B12 to make the protective coating
>surrounding the nerves. So inadequate B12 can expose nerves to
>damage.
>
> Tucker and colleagues wanted to get a sense of B12 levels spanning
>the adult population because most previous studies have focused on the
>elderly. That age group was thought to be at higher risk for deficiency.
>The researchers also expected to find some connection between dietary
>intake and plasma levels, even though other studies found no association.
>Some of the results were surprising. The youngest group-the 26 to 49
>year olds-had about the same B12 status as the oldest group-65 and up.
>"We thought that low concentrations of B12 would increase with age,"
>says Tucker. "But we saw a high prevalence of low B12 even among
>the youngest group."
>
> The good news is that for many people, eating more fortified cereals
>and dairy products can improve B12 status almost as much as taking
>supplements containing the vitamin. Supplement use dropped the
>percentage of volunteers in the danger zone (plasma B12 below 185
>pmol/L) from 20 percent to 8. Eating fortified cereals five or more
>times a week or being among the highest third for dairy intake reduced,
>by nearly half, the percentage of volunteers in that zone-from 23 and
>24 percent, respectively, to 12 and 13 percent.
>
> The researchers found no association between plasma B12 and meat,
>poultry, and fish intake, even though these foods supply the bulk of B12
>in the diet. "It's not because people aren't eating enough meat," Tucker
>says. "The vitamin isn't getting absorbed." The vitamin is tightly bound
>to proteins in meat and dairy products and requires high acidity to cut
>it loose. As we age, we lose the acid-secreting cells in the stomach. But
>what causes poor absorption in younger adults? Tucker speculates that
>the high use of antacids may contribute. But why absorption from dairy
>products appears to be better than from meats is a question that needs
>more research. Fortified cereals are a different story. She says the
>vitamin is sprayed on during processing and is "more like what we get
>in supplements."
>
>-By Judy McBride, Agricultural Research Service Information Staff.
>This research is part of Human Nutrition, an ARS National Program
>(#107) described on the World Wide Web. Katherine L. Tucker is
>at the Jean Mayer USDA-ARS Human Nutrition Research Center on
>Aging at Tufts University, 711 Wa****ngton St., Boston, MA 02111;
>..
>"Are You Vitamin B12 Deficient?" was published in the August 2000
>issue of Agricultural Research magazine.
>
>http://www.epic4health.com/areyouvitb12.html
>
>> I have also just discovered the upcoming EU directive on supplements
>> means they will only be allowed to sell RDA% as a maximum!
>
>Great 'news' for the pharm' industry.. Typical of a mad, mad world...
But like the lunacy over the maximum numbers of paracetamol
etc........stung the pocket big time overnight :-(
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