Re: Hey Farml, Rob, David and All..

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> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:04:04 +1000, "FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<stuff>

er, far be it from me to interrupt two Grumpy Old People in full flight 
<g!>, but this is the common western refrain. everyone seems to think
their 
own country is uniquely going to the dogs and all young people are
useless, 
but i am continually having to point out that people have been going on 
about this for (literally) millenia, everywhere.

i actually happen to think australia's not going to the dogs (especially 
after a change of govt!!!) & that most young people are perfectly all
right, 
but who am i to try to reason with millennia of grumpy oldsters? :-) i
can't 
speak for everywhere, though. mainly, i think it's ironic that adults run 
everything & adults make all the mistakes, & then want to turn around &
have 
a go at young people for every imaginable problem, none of which they 
created personally.

having said that, i think capitalism's weaknesses & problems are really 
starting to show now, though. there's nothing wrong with trade, buying & 
selling (it's part of the human condition) but the way things are now is 
just ludicrous. the peasants won't even rise up because the peasants are
the 
worst of all!!

i work with my hands to try to make an honest living in various
capacities, 
& find it outrageous that the most literally useless people amongst us are

making loads of money & have more influence. yet if everything went bad 
overnight, it's people on this group (for example) who aren't going to be 
starving, isn't it? your average overpaid tech nerd or c.e.o. simply 
wouldn't make it.

>>Nope.  I don't bother.  My garden would be at least 2 acres and there is
>>always some spot where it can be put in whatever state it arrives in.
>>Sometimes it's come straight from the horses/cows/paccy's arse and so is
>>stinky, fresh and moist, sometimes it's sat in the bottom of the pile
and 
>>is
>>starting to compost.   How it looks, depends on where it goes.
>
> Hmmmm, hmmmmm......I'm rethinking things and thinking this sounds like
> less handling of the poo.  Thanks.  In this case heeding the advice of
> someone who is full o' **** may be prudent.  ;-)
>
>
>>As you know there was
>>> a discussion of this a while back in rec.gardens.  I've always been of
>>> that opinion, and only add fressh **** to the garden in the fall so
>>> that it can do its thing over the winter.
>>
>>I top the veggie beds each Autumn and let it do it's stuff, but
sometimes
>>during the growing season I'll use a bag in the veggie garden that I've
>>filled with the more rotted stuff too.  When I collect my poops, I tend
to
>>fill each bag with manure of 'like' composition so have some discretion
on
>>how I can use them in the garden.
>
> I see what your husband means.....you know your ****. ('merican slang
> term)

fwiw i pretty much agree with farmie about the ****, although i am
ignorant 
& she is magnificent. it really is _much_ harder to do anything wrong than

the British Composted Poo Society would have you believe. especially where

cool poo is involved. mainly i have chicken manure (as i have chickens) & 
due to a combination of laziness, hurriedness, & general ignorance, i
always 
put it on "early" before it's cooled, but nothing has ever gone wrong - i 
just make sure it's not near any root zones if i'm not sure about it - it 
doesn't mean you can't apply it yet, just a question of where. i haven't 
been able to get horse poo easily for a while, which is of course 
heartbreaking.

speaking of poo, i read in one of my books recently that one should not 
apply manure & lime at the same time, but rather manure first, lime a
month 
later (or was it the other way around?) most books etc don't say this,
ime. 
for example, i would apply blood & bone with lime, at the same time
(again, 
laziness, ignorance, etc). b&b clearly isn't poo, but has some of the same

roles. poo, as stated, i just put it on top (not mixed in - refer to 
laziness, etc etc!) regardless of season, age, what else has been applied,

etc.
any thoughts?
kylie