Re: Hey Farml, Rob, David and All..

"0tterbot" <spl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> <Charlie> wrote in message
>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:04:04 +1000, "FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrote:
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> <stuff>
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> er, far be it from me to interrupt two Grumpy Old People in full flight 
> <g!>,

But you're going to anyway aren't you younster!  The bloody cheek of you! 
Get back in your box!

but this is the common western refrain. everyone seems to think their
> own country is uniquely going to the dogs and all young people are 
> useless, but i am continually having to point out that people have been 
> going on about this for (literally) millenia, everywhere.

Course they have, but nothing Charlie or I have said refutes that. 
charlie 
and I are just keeping up the traditio, and to prove how tolerant we are, 
we've even read your post, whippersnapper.

> i actually happen to think australia's not going to the dogs (especially

> after a change of govt!!!) & that most young people are perfectly all 
> right, but who am i to try to reason with millennia of grumpy oldsters? 
> :-) i can't speak for everywhere, though. mainly, i think it's ironic
that 
> adults run everything & adults make all the mistakes, & then want to
turn 
> around & have a go at young people for every imaginable problem, none of

> which they created personally.

We didn't blame young people for the economic ills of the world for 
instance, but I do think we can blame then for being so demanding, so 
selfish and so unrepentant.  2 examples - that idiot teenager in Melbourne

who held the party while his parents were away (Cory someone) and the
idiot 
kids who rampaged through the school in Sydney in the last few days with 
baseballl bats.   By the age that these kids are, they should be able to 
figure out the consequences of their actions.  The fact that they can't
seem 
to do that is not a 'good thing'.

> having said that, i think capitalism's weaknesses & problems are really 
> starting to show now, though. there's nothing wrong with trade, buying &

> selling (it's part of the human condition) but the way things are now is

> just ludicrous. the peasants won't even rise up because the peasants are

> the worst of all!!

Because the peasants have been trained to 'want it all' perhaps?

> i work with my hands to try to make an honest living in various 
> capacities, & find it outrageous that the most literally useless people 
> amongst us are making loads of money & have more influence. yet if 
> everything went bad overnight, it's people on this group (for example)
who 
> aren't going to be starving, isn't it? your average overpaid tech nerd
or 
> c.e.o. simply wouldn't make it.

Yep on multiple accounts.
>
>>>Nope.  I don't bother.  My garden would be at least 2 acres and there
is
>>>always some spot where it can be put in whatever state it arrives in.
>>>Sometimes it's come straight from the horses/cows/paccy's arse and so
is
>>>stinky, fresh and moist, sometimes it's sat in the bottom of the pile
and 
>>>is
>>>starting to compost.   How it looks, depends on where it goes.
>>
>> Hmmmm, hmmmmm......I'm rethinking things and thinking this sounds like
>> less handling of the poo.  Thanks.  In this case heeding the advice of
>> someone who is full o' **** may be prudent.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>>As you know there was
>>>> a discussion of this a while back in rec.gardens.  I've always been
of
>>>> that opinion, and only add fressh **** to the garden in the fall so
>>>> that it can do its thing over the winter.
>>>
>>>I top the veggie beds each Autumn and let it do it's stuff, but
sometimes
>>>during the growing season I'll use a bag in the veggie garden that I've
>>>filled with the more rotted stuff too.  When I collect my poops, I tend

>>>to
>>>fill each bag with manure of 'like' composition so have some discretion

>>>on
>>>how I can use them in the garden.
>>
>> I see what your husband means.....you know your ****. ('merican slang
>> term)
>
> fwiw i pretty much agree with farmie about the ****, although i am 
> ignorant & she is magnificent.

Snort!  Where did you get that strange idea?  What ARE you growing in your

garden?

it really is _much_ harder to do anything wrong than
> the British Composted Poo Society would have you believe. especially
where 
>  > cool poo is involved. mainly i have chicken manure (as i have
chickens) 
> & due to a combination of laziness, hurriedness, & general ignorance, i 
> always put it on "early" before it's cooled, but nothing has ever gone 
> wrong - i just make sure it's not near any root zones if i'm not sure 
> about it - it doesn't mean you can't apply it yet, just a question of 
> where. i haven't been able to get horse poo easily for a while, which is

> of course heartbreaking.

If you are a VERY good girl and keep calling me magnificent, I might just 
bring you a ute load one day :-))

> speaking of poo, i read in one of my books recently that one should not 
> apply manure & lime at the same time, but rather manure first, lime a 
> month later (or was it the other way around?) most books etc don't say 
> this, ime. for example, i would apply blood & bone with lime, at the
same 
> time (again, laziness, ignorance, etc). b&b clearly isn't poo, but has 
> some of the same roles. poo, as stated, i just put it on top (not mixed 
> in - refer to laziness, etc etc!) regardless of season, age, what else
has 
> been applied, etc.
> any thoughts?

I've read that too for decades and have always separated the two
activities 
as recommended, but now you ask, I don't know if it is im****tant or not.