Re: Large scale permaculture

"FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> I agree that seeing him talking directly to the Chinese was very 
> impressive. I dont think too many world leaders would have the range of 
> languages that he does.  But I do think they have to get off their arses

> and start doing something.
>
> Since they've taken over the role as the Government, they've probably
only 
> sat for about 4 weeks.  Not enough to do a bloody thing of use, yet.

well no, but what can you do in just 4 weeks? :-)

i do, however, think that symbolic actions are im****tant (in terms of 
getting us all moving on to where we are going) & there's been a lot of 
that. actual sitting time isn't set by govts, so what can one do? in the 
meantime, i love the way they are going through like a dose of salts. we 
NEEDED it!

also, i am secretly shallow so keep that in mind when i say: i hate his 
ties. he never wears a tie i like. his taste in ties is absolutely foul. 
something should be done..!

but i can forgive a bad tie in someone who i sincerely believe is all set
to 
do the right things, not awful things like <ahem> did.

>>> You're right.  I am not sure about obama, as far as his policies are
>>> concerned, but, damn, the boy has charisma and is fast on his feet.
>
> The trouble with 'charismatic' leaders is that the instant people see 
> through the 'charisma', they drop like a ton of lead.  I'm not yet 
> convinced that Obama has anything of substance.  Hillary does, but she 
> certainly has baggage.

all i can really say on this subject (like i even CARE!) is that neither
of 
them (none of them!) could be worse than the in***bent.

>>> *If* things were to go as he ****tarys, perhaps you all would love us
>>> again.  But one must always ask, who really controls the show?
>
>> i also think yanks have an over-inflated idea of how much they were
ever 
>> loved in the first instance <g>
>
> :-))  It does tend to come as a surprise to many Americans that they 
> aren't universally loved, but I do think that Charlie might be an 
> exception to that grouping as he seems to have made an effort to look 
> beyond his borders.

charlie is noice. :-)

having said that, any country probably has a majority of nice (in their
way) 
individuals. it's how they act collectively that matters, in many ways.
that 
seems to be the problem with the farcical olympic torch business - most 
chinese people are lovely, but the govt there is appalling. i think some 
chinese are feeling rather oppressed in a personal way by the protests
when 
it's actually a governmental thing that shouldn't be taken personally.

> It's not so difficult to understand such a mind set if you think of us 
> having 300 million people on our continent - imagine trying to keep up 
> with current affairs within the nation in that cir***stance, let alone 
> trying to know what is going on in the rest of the world.  Add to that 
> being the most powerful nation on earth and it must be a bit of a heady 
> mix.
>
> I've always thought that we were extraordinarily lucky to be where we
are 
> and what we are.  We're a piddling little, unim****tant nation stuck at 
> what other nations see as being the bottom of the world, but that works
to 
> our benefit.  We take in news and media from all sorts of nations and 
> because we all feel that we are isolated, we travel, and for our size,
we 
> travel a lot.

i think obscurity is great. not to mention,  necessary.
kylie