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Re: 100 Pounds of Food/Year From a 12 Square Foot Plot?

by Bill <b2forewagner@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 29, 2008 at 10:03 AM

In article <er8e149ef6q6k0jf63tg03nfkuirhbgmko@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Charlie wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:31:48 +1000, "FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 be given>
> wrote:
> 
> ><Charlie> wrote in message
> >> Sorry, I was also reading this article and became cornfused about
what
> >> I was reading and where I was reading it!  Not an uncommon
occurrence.
> >>
> >>
http://hartlandag.blogspot.com/2007/09/new-study-industrial-agriculture-cro
> >> ps.html
> >
> >Interesting, but not surprising.  I am trying to remember how some of
the 
> >measurements for organic vs inorganic food is done.   I seem to
remember 
> >brix and baume but that is all that comes to mind.
> >
> >And one has to wonder why kids these day seem to have so many diseases
that 
> >were rare when I was a child.  People of my age were relatively lucky 
> >because we were raised in an era when the production of food was
organic, or 
> >only beginning on the inorganic track.  Kids when I was young were 
> >considered to be rather defective if they had things like Asthma,
psoriasis, 
> >allergies etc, because they were incredibly rare.  Now they seem to be 
> >almost the norm rather than the exception.  Something has sure changed
since 
> >I was a kid. 
> >
> 
> I wonder about the addition of high fructose corn syrup, and all sorts
> of corn derivatives to our food. And eating what barely p***** as
> "meat".  I agree with your observations about kids when we were young
> as compared to now, but all problems are overdetermined, too many
> variables and too many combinations of variables perhaps.
> 
> Something else that comes to mind that is different and that is causing
> a bit of a ****storm, as it should, is all the vaccinating of our young
> that is so effing required nowadays. 
> 
> Care
> Charlie

 I'd add obsession with being Germ Free.

Bill 

A small study below that says

 "Additional studies are needed to evaluate the effect of atopy and 
allergic diseases in glycemic control"

...............................


Allergy Asthma Proc. 2008 Mar-Apr;29(2):166-70.
 Links

Prevalence of atopy in children with type 1 diabetes mellitus, hepatitis 
B virus carriers, and healthy children: Role of T helper 1 (Th1)-type 
immune response.

Cakir M, Akcay S, Karakas T, Gedik Y, Okten A, Orhan F.
Faculty of Medicine, Department of Pediatrics, Karadeniz Technical 
University, Trabzon, Turkey.

The prevalence of allergic diseases such as asthma, hay fever, and 
atopic dermatitis has increased over the past few decades, especially in 
developed countries. They are characterized by a chronic inflammatory 
reaction mediated by T helper 2 (Th2) cells. Two common chronic diseases 
of childhood-an autoimmune disease, type 1 diabetes mellitus (DM), and a 
chronic viral infection, hepatitis B virus (HBV) carriers-are associated 
with a Th1-dominant and Th1-insufficient cytokine profile, respectively. 
The purpose of this study was to analyze the frequency of allergic 
disease in patients with type 1 DM and, in HBV carriers, to evaluate the 
role of Th1-type immune response in atopy and allergic disease. The 
study included patients with type 1 DM (group I, n = 52), HBV carriers 
(group III, n = 47), and a healthy control group (group III, n = 209). 
Participants were screened for allergic disease and atopic 
sensitization. Symptoms of asthma, eczema, and atopy were found more 
commonly in HBV carrier children compared with those with DM and healthy 
controls. This study sup****ts the Th1/Th2 model. The prevalence of 
allergic disease and atopy is decreased in Th1-mediated autoimmune 
disease, type 1 DM, and, conversely, is increased in insufficient Th1 
response, chronic HBV carriers. Additional studies are needed to 
evaluate the effect of atopy and allergic diseases in glycemic control 
and long-term complications in patients with type 1 DM and the effect of 
atopy on progression of chronic HBV infection.

PMID: 18430314 [PubMed - in process

-- 
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
 




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100 Pounds of Food/Year From a 12 Square Foot Plot?
Charlie   2008-04-25 21:06:26 
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Charlie   2008-04-25 22:53:56 
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Charlie   2008-05-01 20:45:45 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-05-02 17:20:02 
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Charlie   2008-05-02 11:32:34 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-05-03 20:51:57 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-05-02 17:29:12 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-05-03 21:39:01 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-05-03 21:32:37 
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Rick <no@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-28 15:22:05 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-28 12:53:45 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-04-29 15:18:42 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-28 22:37:03 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-29 14:40:50 
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Charlie   2008-04-29 16:46:03 
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Persephone   2008-05-02 11:24:27 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-05-02 15:35:51 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-04-30 14:04:30 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-04-30 13:53:58 
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Charlie   2008-04-29 08:38:58 
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Bill <b2forewagner@[EM  2008-04-29 10:03:57 
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Jonno <somewhere@[EMAI  2008-04-30 00:26:51 
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Charlie   2008-04-29 09:36:13 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-04-30 13:57:43 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-30 10:26:18 
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Bill <b2forewagner@[EM  2008-04-30 14:12:34 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-05-02 17:29:03 
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"J. Clarke" <  2008-05-02 03:38:28 
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Charlie   2008-05-01 18:50:20 
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Charlie   2008-05-01 20:43:02 
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