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Re: Large scale permaculture

by "0tterbot" <spl@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 1, 2008 at 12:34 AM

"FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> well no, but what can you do in just 4 weeks? :-)
>
> Sweet Fester Arbuckle, but they really have to do something PDQ when
they 
> do sit again because it's now stretching out a bit too long.

hm, i tend to think that they are, somewhat. i don't know. everything 
happens at a glacial pace anyway! i'm not sure how quickly things CAN 
happen, never mind "should".

>> i do, however, think that symbolic actions are im****tant (in terms of 
>> getting us all moving on to where we are going) & there's been a lot of

>> that. actual sitting time isn't set by govts,
>
> It is actually.  I think it's the Gov't Whip who sets it but if not,
then 
> at least someone in the Government.

but is there not a common sitting length over the year? & it's not 52
weeks, 
we all know that!! they just don't sit that much - they're often just not 
there, because (i assume) it's not practical to do so anyway. i don't know

the ins & outs of it, but i'd be frankly concerned if some new govt
decided 
to sit 40 weeks a year. while they're sitting, they're not thinking of
what 
they need to do & talking to people about it, they're debating (& whatnot)

stuff which has been decided while they _weren't_ sitting.

that's what i meant.

>> also, i am secretly shallow so keep that in mind when i say: i hate his

>> ties. he never wears a tie i like. his taste in ties is absolutely
foul. 
>> something should be done..!
>
> :-)) and Therese needs a bit of fa****on advice too :-))

well she does, but she's not the prime minister so i'm not about to start 
criticising her. :-)

>> all i can really say on this subject (like i even CARE!) is that
neither 
>> of them (none of them!) could be worse than the in***bent.
>
> Tut tut.  I'm sure you do care as I can't imagine that you could
possibly 
> approve of the invasion of Iraq based on falsified information.

i didn't, i don't.

but i don't give a flying **** who the president of the usa is, & that's
the 
truth!! :-D whether i care or not i can't do anything about it, so i 
therefore don't invest any energy in caring about any of them.

honestly, all we are seeing is the bush effect - nobody in the world wants

to see anyone like that in power again, EVER. however, since none of us
can 
do anything about it, it's a mystery to me that anyone need pay attention 
until it happens. truly, they WILL let us know once there's been an 
election, i'm sure :-) no amount of fussing about it now is going to
change 
anything, even though such a person will always do their overweening best
to 
make it the problem of the rest of the world, kwim? bush is a problem for 
all 6 billion people on earth, & nobody wants that to happen again. but 
since the next one will be another american, s/he is still going to be our

problem (just hopefully a much lesser problem). :-)

> As allies and the richest most powerful nation on earth, when dumb 
> decisions are made there by a very thick President, it impacts way
beyond 
> their borders.  Look at all the **** we were fed so we too would happily

> (choke) send troops to Iraq too.  The one thing I will give Howard is
that 
> although he looked like he was always sup****ting Bush, he was very
careful 
> about his commitment to Iraq in terms of troop location adn numbers, not

> that we could send too many anyway given our other international 
> commitments.

i think even rabid ideologues like howard were (grudgingly) aware of how
his 
incessant arse-licking of such an unworthy person reflected badly upon 
himself. so he's doomed to be always associated with words like mean, 
tricky, and cunning. nobody ever said he was stupid - he's not. but that 
doesn't mean he was not the sole instrument of his own downfall - he was. 
the creepy little control freak. you get that when you're one-eyed.

>> charlie is noice. :-)
>
> Shhhhh.  Don't let him hear you say that or he'll get a swelled head!

he may not be able to fit his gardening hat on!!

>> having said that, any country probably has a majority of nice (in their

>> way) individuals. it's how they act collectively that matters, in many 
>> ways.
>
> Yes.  I still have not forgiven most of our compatriots about the Tampa.

> The majority seem to be a bunch of idiots given how often I heard the
line 
> about 'queue jumping'.

oh dear. i think the truth is that most people worldwide are "a bunch of 
idiots". truly. the modern world is ridiculously complicated & lots of 
people simply can't keep up. that doesn't make them unlikeable, unkind or 
unworthy - it's just something you need to keep in mind. i don't know that

there's any place left for people who just aren't smart or who are 
unprepared to think. they're being left behind. tbh i'm not sure what (if 
anything) could or should be done about it.

in the olden days, most people were chattel, peasants or serfs. these
days, 
they have the same rights as the ruling class & expect that things are 
equal, but things aren't equal & won't ever be, because people aren't
equal. 
an un-thought-out opinion is not equal to a well-thought-out opinion, is
it? 
but modern democratic types expect everyone to have a say, based on the 
assumption (i suppose) that if a person is required to make a decision, 
they'll probably put some thought into it, since it is going to affect
them. 
thus we try to drag each other up through the primordial slime :-) it kind

of works, doesn't it?

> that
>> seems to be the problem with the farcical olympic torch business - most

>> chinese people are lovely, but the govt there is appalling.
>
> Yep, but so was ours till the end of last year :-))

to be fair to them, they weren't executing their own populace in droves, &

stuff like that.
>> i think obscurity is great. not to mention,  necessary.

> Yup!  Long may we continue to have it (says she with a sore arm - I got
my 
> Chloera and Typhoid shots today for our impending trip :-((()

ow!

but see, i'm a pretty smart person (mostly ;-) yet i find it inconceivable

that things like typhoid still exist!! it's hard for us to move outside
our 
own brain & own experience, isn't it?
kylie
 




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"David Hare-Scott&qu  2008-04-07 21:56:18 
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Terryc <newsthreespam-  2008-04-07 22:26:44 
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"Jock" <jock  2008-04-07 12:32:49 
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"David Hare-Scott&qu  2008-04-08 11:34:17 
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"David Hare-Scott&qu  2008-04-08 11:15:17 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-04-09 09:50:22 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-04-09 12:18:18 
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"David Hare-Scott&qu  2008-04-09 11:45:21 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-08 23:37:53 
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"David Hare-Scott&qu  2008-04-10 18:12:17 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-08 22:48:51 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-09 09:20:39 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-09 17:25:16 
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Terryc <newsthreespam-  2008-04-09 10:25:10 
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"David Hare-Scott&qu  2008-04-09 11:46:18 
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Charlie   2008-04-08 21:14:13 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-08 23:12:36 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-08 23:11:55 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-04-09 09:44:47 
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"David Hare-Scott&qu  2008-04-09 12:00:51 
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Charlie   2008-04-08 21:12:46 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-08 23:10:24 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-04-09 12:22:56 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-08 22:52:59 
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Chookie <ehrebeniuk@[E  2008-04-10 23:36:01 
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Terryc <newsthreespam-  2008-04-11 11:47:55 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-04-11 16:55:38 
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"David Hare-Scott&qu  2008-04-12 11:29:22 
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"David Hare-Scott&qu  2008-04-10 17:41:18 
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"0tterbot" <  2008-04-08 23:47:08 
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"David Hare-Scott&qu  2008-04-09 12:15:10 
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"0tterbot" <  2008-04-10 23:59:33 
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Charlie   2008-04-10 20:14:17 
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"0tterbot" <  2008-04-11 01:28:55 
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Charlie   2008-04-27 22:42:11 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-04-28 18:43:46 
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Jonno <somewhere@[EMAI  2008-04-28 19:40:32 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-04-29 19:04:26 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-05-02 17:23:04 
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Chookie <ehrebeniuk@[E  2008-05-02 18:45:46 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-05-02 10:44:12 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-05-03 21:23:25 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-05-03 09:48:33 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-05-04 16:59:42 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-05-02 10:53:22 
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"0tterbot" <  2008-05-05 23:32:01 
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Charlie   2008-04-29 11:41:54 
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"0tterbot" <  2008-05-01 00:37:20 
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Charlie   2008-04-29 11:27:59 
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Billy <wildbilly@[EMAI  2008-04-10 22:27:49 
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"FarmI" <ask  2008-04-11 16:40:14 
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len gardener <gardenle  2008-04-07 18:35:51 
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"George.com" &l  2008-04-08 21:48:45 
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