Re: Large scale permaculture

"Billy" <wildbilly@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:wildbilly-
> "FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 be given> wrote:
>> "0tterbot" <spl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> > "FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 be given> wrote in message
>>
>> >>
>> >> Tut tut.  I'm sure you do care as I can't imagine that you could 
>> >> possibly
>> >> approve of the invasion of Iraq based on falsified information.
>> >
>> > i didn't, i don't.
>>
>> :-))  Thought not.
>>
>> > but i don't give a flying **** who the president of the usa is, & 
>> > that's
>> > the truth!! :-D whether i care or not i can't do anything about it,
so 
>> > i
>> > therefore don't invest any energy in caring about any of them.
>>
>> Well there is that.  Given how sick I am of the coverage of the 
>> Democratic
>> contest, by the time the real contest comes round to elect the new
>> President, I don't think I'll give a flyer either.
>>
>> > honestly, all we are seeing is the bush effect - nobody in the world 
>> > wants
>> > to see anyone like that in power again, EVER.

> Sorry to say but Bush isn't the problem.

Well he certainly isn't part of the solution either, but he and anyone in 
his position should be.

> If the new government doesn't go after the malfeasance of this
> administration, then we are all in deep doo.

Welcome to our world Billy.  We had the a similar situation here for the 
past 11 years.  I have voted for both sides of the political spectrum in 
this country but I am very pleased that not once did I vote for anyone in 
the last Government.  By the time they got the axe, they too had become a 
weeping sore just as Bush seems to have done for you.  You get your chance

next year but I have to say that so far I'm underwhelmed with your
choices.

>> > oh dear. i think the truth is that most people worldwide are "a bunch

>> > of
>> > idiots". truly. the modern world is ridiculously complicated & lots
of
>> > people simply can't keep up.

> Especially when their governments and the media present them with bald
> faced lies or information that is so freakin' skewed, that reality is
> imperceptible. If you're a democratically elected leader of a country
> that opposes American foreign policy, you're a militant. If you're a
> ruthless dictator who sup****ts American foreign policy, you're our ally
> for peace.

But I see that as the fault of a lazy public as all politicians will try
to 
use that sort of idiotic brain wa****ng.  It's designed to manipulate those

within the populace who are gullible and/or stupid.  Anyone capable of any

degree of clear thinking should only be caught by it once.  How many times

does Joe Public have to be bludgeoned over the head about whatever the 
current political issue is, get all excited and whipped up because of the 
patriotic (usually) rubbish he's being spoon fed before he finally starts
to 
think for himself and realises that the last time he was sucked in and 
believed the lies, he felt like a total fool when it all came unstuck?

It seems that Joe Public either doesn't care or is too stupid to know that

he's being manipualted.

With access to the internet, there is no way that anyone should accept 
unquestioningly anything they are fed by the media.  The world is a big 
place and access to all sorts of differing of views is only a few clicks 
away (or should be).

>> In the case of the Tampa and much else in the past 11 years it was a
case 
>> of
>> sinking backwards into the primordial ooze, not furthering the cause of
>> rational thinking or high human ideals.
>>
> Speaking of rational thinking, it was good to hear one of your
> countrym . ., hehem, citizens, Helen Caldicott, on the radio last
> thursday, http://www.flashpoints.net/
. She is supposed to be starting a
> new radio programm soon on KPFT, Huston http://www.kpft.org/index.php
.
> Always refre****ng to be exposed to reality.

I've only ever read a few of the things she has written and heard her a
few 
times as she has mostly lived in the US.  What I have seen of her is 
impressive, as at least she seems to be able to use her loaf.  Sadly there

don't seem to be enough of such people around.