"Billy" <wildbilly@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> "FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Billy" <wildbilly@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:wildbilly-
>> > "FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> "0tterbot" <spl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> > "FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tut tut. I'm sure you do care as I can't imagine that you could
>> >> >> possibly
>> >> >> approve of the invasion of Iraq based on falsified information.
>> >> >
>> >> > i didn't, i don't.
>> >>
>> >> :-)) Thought not.
>> >>
>> >> > but i don't give a flying **** who the president of the usa is, &
>> >> > that's
>> >> > the truth!! :-D whether i care or not i can't do anything about
it,
>> >> > so
>> >> > i
>> >> > therefore don't invest any energy in caring about any of them.
>> >>
>> >> Well there is that. Given how sick I am of the coverage of the
>> >> Democratic
>> >> contest, by the time the real contest comes round to elect the new
>> >> President, I don't think I'll give a flyer either.
>> >>
>> >> > honestly, all we are seeing is the bush effect - nobody in the
world
>> >> > wants
>> >> > to see anyone like that in power again, EVER.
>>
>> > Sorry to say but Bush isn't the problem.
>>
>> Well he certainly isn't part of the solution either, but he and anyone
in
>> his position should be.
> Is it just me? I'm feeling a whole lot of 'tude here. Are you reacting t
> what I said or what you think I said? If this is to be a conversation,
> then let's keep it in response to what is written.
It's must be just you because I DID respond to what you wrote. You wrote
"Bush isn't the problem". There is absolutely no way to misinterprete
that
sentence as he is either the problem or he's not the problem. I think
he's
certainly a huge part of the problem as he's complicit and that is what I
wrote.
> Bush is guilty but he isn't the puppeteer who orchestrates the show. He
> is a political hack representing his moneyed backers over the interests
> of the electorate.
And nothing I wrote in the sentence which you think has ""tude", disagrees
with what you've NOW written. You are now saying he's guilty, whereas
before you said he wasn't the problem. He is the problem just as there
are
also many other problem individuals and cor****ations and vested interests
etc.
>> > If the new government doesn't go after the malfeasance of this
>> > administration, then we are all in deep doo.
>>
>> Welcome to our world Billy. We had the a similar situation here for
the
>> past 11 years. I have voted for both sides of the political spectrum
in
>> this country but I am very pleased that not once did I vote for anyone
in
>> the last Government. By the time they got the axe, they too had become
a
>> weeping sore just as Bush seems to have done for you. You get your
>> chance
>> next year but I have to say that so far I'm underwhelmed with your
>> choices.
> You ain't the only one sister.
No. Despite all the hoopla, I've picked up from my reading that there are
a
lot of people around who aren't convinced by any of the candidates.
>> >> > oh dear. i think the truth is that most people worldwide are "a
>> >> > bunch
>> >> > of
>> >> > idiots". truly. the modern world is ridiculously complicated &
lots
>> >> > of
>> >> > people simply can't keep up.
>>
>> > Especially when their governments and the media present them with
bald
>> > faced lies or information that is so freakin' skewed, that reality is
>> > imperceptible. If you're a democratically elected leader of a country
>> > that opposes American foreign policy, you're a militant. If you're a
>> > ruthless dictator who sup****ts American foreign policy, you're our
ally
>> > for peace.
>>
>> But I see that as the fault of a lazy public as all politicians will
try
>> to
>> use that sort of idiotic brain wa****ng. It's designed to manipulate
>> those
>> within the populace who are gullible and/or stupid. Anyone capable of
>> any
>> degree of clear thinking should only be caught by it once. How many
>> times
>> does Joe Public have to be bludgeoned over the head about whatever the
>> current political issue is, get all excited and whipped up because of
the
>> patriotic (usually) rubbish he's being spoon fed before he finally
starts
>> to
>> think for himself and realises that the last time he was sucked in and
>> believed the lies, he felt like a total fool when it all came unstuck?
>>
>> It seems that Joe Public either doesn't care or is too stupid to know
>> that
>> he's being manipualted.
>>
>> With access to the internet, there is no way that anyone should accept
>> unquestioningly anything they are fed by the media. The world is a big
>> place and access to all sorts of differing of views is only a few
clicks
>> away (or should be).
> I don't know how Ruppert Murdock plays in Australia, but he is the most
> egregious example of media incompetence in America, but still, only the
> most egregious.
He pops over here now and again to see his mother and he owns a lot of
media
here but there is still good competition for all of his media including
good
free to air media, so he isn't seen as too much of a problem. We were all
delighted though when he took out American citerzen****p as we could claim
that he no longer belonged to us.
Studies have shown that views of Fox News are worse
> informed than people who don't watch anything. Viewers of Fox News are
> still likely to think that Saddam Hussein had WMDs.
Yeah. Sad that.
The rest of the
> media here is similar. The hysteria from the "cor****ate press" and the
> "reputable" N.Y. Times, and Judith Miller, helped convince the country
> that intervention was necessary. They were aided and abetted by
> Gen.Colin Powell, who most of us thought was a good guy.
I've always wondered how much of an orchestrated campaign it was in the US
to whip up sup****t for the invasion of Iraq whatever the cost. IIRC, the
statistics sup****ting the war were about two thirds against and one third
for in the rest of the world and the reverse in the US. I've always
thought
it was a deliberate and well planned con job and I've also thought that
Colin Powell was conned too and that is why he slunk off into the night
when
it al came unstuck. How embarrassing for him.
> Nearly all of our the media depends on advertising (except for
> free-speach radio like Pacifica and some college stations), advertising
> that would disappear for an un-American media that didn't sup****t the
> government's declared intent of protecting the American people.
Indeed. And given that any one of us is far, far, far more likely to die
as
a result of a car crash or even the flu, the hype over terrorism was
rather
over the top given the cir***stances as terrorism wasn't new and had been
building up since the Munich Olympics.
I've always thought that only 3,000 people dying in the WTC collapse was
an
alsolute miracle. It's appalling for the families and it was a huge
tragedy
but on the other hand, a quarter of a million people a day entered that
complex yet only 3,000 were lost. It could have been so much worse so the
survival of so many really is a triumph of American building skills,
emergency procedures, heroism etc.
>> >> In the case of the Tampa and much else in the past 11 years it was a
>> >> case
>> >> of
>> >> sinking backwards into the primordial ooze, not furthering the cause
>> >> of
>> >> rational thinking or high human ideals.
> I must have been asleep when this happened, thanks for bringing it to
> our attention. We do the same thing to Haitians all the time:-(
It was a shameful incident and until that happened, I had never felt
ashamed
to be an Australian.
>> >>
>> > Speaking of rational thinking, it was good to hear one of your
>> > countrym . ., hehem, citizens, Helen Caldicott, on the radio last
>> > thursday, http://www.flashpoints.net/
. She is supposed to be
starting
>> > a
>> > new radio programm soon on KPFT, Huston http://www.kpft.org/index.php
.
>> > Always refre****ng to be exposed to reality.
>>
>> I've only ever read a few of the things she has written and heard her a
>> few
>> times as she has mostly lived in the US. What I have seen of her is
>> impressive, as at least she seems to be able to use her loaf. Sadly
>> there
>> don't seem to be enough of such people around.
>
> Loaf? Typo or Aussi argot?
Use her loaf = use her head.
> She seems to tour a lot. My understanding was that she was live from
> Australia and her guest David Lockebaum (sp?) could have been anywhere.
> If You Love This Planet, hosted by Dr. Helen Caldicott
> http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=26076
I think she lives here now and has a place in a forest somewhere in either
south eastern NSW of north eastern Victoria. I've seen her on a few panel
interviews etc and she is a very good analyst of the issues
I'll check out your cites, but can't do them from this ISP that I use to
read newsgroups.
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