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Welcome to rec.aquaria.*

by Andy Pastuszak <amp68@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 18, 2008 at 12:36 AM

Welcome to Rec.Aquaria.*

contributed by Todd Zebert
edited by Erik Olson

Welcome to the rec.aquaria.* newsgroups! Please read this entire 
do***ent and whatever FAQs it may suggest before your first posting. We 
hope this will help you get the most from the newsgroups, and aid you 
in getting along with the people already here.

This do***ent will tell you about:

the FAQs (answers to Frequently Asked Questions); what they are, and 
where to find them.
Other Web Sites?
proper etiquette for posting to rec.aquaria.*
common acronyms and other terms used here.
common questions (with answers) asked about the rec.aquaria.* newsgroups.
There are several Usenet newsgroups collectively referred to as 
rec.aquaria.*. They compose an international forum for the discussion 
of almost everything related to aquaria and keeping fish. If you are 
new to the aquarium hobby, you will find them a valuable source of 
advice. If you are an advanced hobbyist but new to the Usenet forum, we 
welcome your input and hope you will find some interesting discussions 
and the new information that you need to keep current.
If you have questions about Usenet, newsgroups, posting messages, the 
net in general, general netiquette, writing standards, how to FTP, 
etc., the answers can be found in the news.announce.newusers group. 
This is the single most im****tant group for someone new to the net who 
wants to get acquainted with the system. Some of the im****tant files 
(all written by Mark Moraes) in news.answers you should check out are:

Answers To Frequently Asked Questions about Usenet
A Primer on How To Work With the Usenet Community
Hints on writing style for Usenet
What is Usenet?
Just the FAQ, Ma'am

Before posting for help, please read as much of the FAQs as you can. 
Really! They will most likely tell you everything you want to know 
about almost every beginner issue (if they don't answer your question, 
WE want to know!). Reading them should be your first order of business 
and is a simple courtesy to the readers of these newsgroups who get 
tired of reading the same questions from newcomers, over and over.
The FAQs are available in three forms: World Wide Web, FTP, and monthly 
Usenet postings. The best and easiest way to read them is through World 
Wide Web at the URL

http://faq.thekrib.com
http://www.actwin.com/fish/mirror/
(U.S. mirror)
Outside the U.S., you may get faster access through another mirror 
site, which are listed at the URL above.
Many of the FAQs are also posted on the aquaria groups, and 
news.answers on a monthly basis. A bit of searching through articles 
with the subject ``FAQ'' should bring up the latest copies. One word of 
caution: now that the groups have been split, not all FAQs are posted 
to all newsgroups; some may be only found on relevant groups.

If you do not have web access but do have ftp access, these text-only 
versions can also be downloaded from the Usenet FAQ archive at 
rtfm.mit.edu.

Other Web Sites

With the explosive growth of the web over the past few years, there are 
so many sites coming and going that it's impossible to name them here. 
One way to find them is to use your favorite search engine. Another 
good "jumping off place" is Fish Link Central, at 
http://www.fishlinkcentral.com.
The old Caltech index at 
http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~aquaria/
is being phased out, but should 
remain for a time.
Posting to rec.aquaria.*

If the following instructions seem unclear, read the newsgroups for a 
few weeks (called ``lurking'') and you'll get the hang of the way 
things work. There are many readers of rec.aquaria.*, some are old 
pros, some newcomers, but all would appreciate it if you would follow a 
few simple requests when posting. Remember, you're asking them for help 
so you should play by their rules!
1) If you've looked around for the information requested, but come up 
with contradictory information, no information, or don't understand the 
information, please say so. This will show that you've been actively 
seeking out the information yourself.

Also, PLEASE PLEASE do not buy a fish and THEN ask the newsgroup how 
you can properly care for it. Ask questions FIRST and read as much as 
you can BEFORE buying the fish. Allow several days for people to get 
back to you. Most stores will hold a fish for you if you ask. It also 
does not hurt to introduce yourself, and come to know the owner or some 
of the employees at your favorite store. They will be more willing to 
do things for you if they know you are a loyal customer. It is poor 
husbandry to buy a fish not knowing if you can keep it healthy.

2) Fill in the rest of the subject line with a brief description of the 
problem or a couple of words that describe the concern of the post. A 
descriptive subject line is more likely to get read and responded to 
than a vague one (``Goldfish has white spots'' is better than 
``Help!!'').

3) When asking for help, please give a complete description of your 
tank size, lighting, filtration, its inhabitants and their sizes**, how 
long you've had it running, measures of water quality such as ammonia, 
pH, temperature, etc. You can't expect much of an answer (or any at 
all!) unless you include enough information. (i.e. not ``HI, My fish 
died! Why? Bye'')

**Fish sizes are measured from the tip of their head to the beginning 
of their tail fin (where the tail meets the body).

4) Please do not use all capital letters. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE SHOUTING!

5) Make sure your newsreader is limiting line length to a maximum of 75 
characters (or columns) otherwise it will be difficult for others to 
read your post! If you don't know how to do this, ask your network 
administrator.

6) Do not post pictures to the rec.aquaria.* groups. Graphics in 
general take lots of bandwidth, and are in general disallowed in 
"non-binaries" groups. If the picture is available on a web site, 
instead include the URL where others can find it. There is a special 
group created on the alt. heirarchy for fish pictures, 
alt.binaries.aquaria. Depending on whether your ISP carries so-called 
"binary newsgroups", it may or may not be accessible (if in doubt, ask 
them).

Responding to Posts

When responding to a post, most newsreaders will include the original 
message with some sort of character prefixed on every line, usually a 
greater-than symbol, ``>''. Please delete as much unnecessary 
information from the original post as possible, while still maintaining 
continuity of the conversation. This includes extraneous headers and 
information from the previous post that is not relevant to the reply.
Terms and Acronyms

As you read posts in these newsgroups, you're likely to come across the 
following terms, acronyms, and conventions commonly referred to as 
NETSPEAK:
rec.aquaria, rec.aquaria.*
Collectively refers to all groups in the rec.aquaria heirarchy.
AFAIK
As far as I know
AFM, MFM, TFH, FAMA
Four popular aquaria magazines: Aquarium Fish Magazine, Marine Fish 
Magazine, Tropical Fish Hobbyist, and Freshwater and Marine Aquarium.
AOL, CIS
America Online, CompuServe Information Systems; two commercial Internet 
providers.
BTW
By The Way.
cut, snip
Means part of previous post has been removed.
DIY
Do It Yourself, home made, a device or system that is built by the
hobbyist.
FAQ, FAQs
Frequently Asked Question[s].
flame
A message which is abusive (see below)
FS
For Sale.
FTP, HTTP
File Transfer Protocol, and HyperText Transfer Protocol, two method of 
transferring files.
FW, SW
Freshwater, Saltwater
FWIW
For What It's Worth.
FYI
For Your Information.
HTML
HyperText Markup Language, used for creating web pages.
IMHO, IMO, IMNSHO
In My Humble Opinion, In My Opinion, In My Not-So-Humble Opinion, etc.
LFS
Local Fish Store
lurking
reading a newsgroup, over a period of time, to gain knowledge from 
other people's questions and answers, without posting anything of your 
own.
MO, M/O
Mail Order
MOP[S], PW, TFP, WTA
Four M/O businesses: Mail Order Pet Shop, Pet Warehouse, That Fish 
Place, and Wet Thumb Aquatics.
netiquette
Net etiquette. The golden rule is: RTFF!
newbie
A beginner. Often, but not always, used in a derogatory way. Don't feel 
too bad if someone calls another a newbie.
OTOH
On The Other Hand.
pl*co
An unfortunate correlation between Plocestomus Catfish deaths and 
mention of their name on the net has led to the use of `pl*co' as a 
superstitious habit. For our protection, the fish's full name has been 
deliberately misspelled above.
post[s]
message[s] on Usenet
reorg
The rec.aquaria re-organization.
ROTFL
Rolling On The Floor Laughing.
RTFM, RTFF
Read the ``fine'' Manual, or FAQ. Usually directed at people who ask a 
question without first checking the obvious places to find the answer. 
Substitute expletives beginning with F for ``fine'', if you like.
SAE
Siamese Algae Eater (see the ALGAE FAQ).
threads
The initial message and all the following replies to it, a discussion.
TIA
Thanks In Advance
UGF, RUGF
Undergravel Filter, Reverse Under Gravel Filter.
WD, W/D
Wet/Dry Filter
WTB
Wanted To Buy.
WWW, W3, web
World Wide Web
YMMV
Your Mileage May Vary, basically just because something works well in 
one situation, does not mean it will in another.
Smileys :-) ;-) :-(
(turn the page, monitor or your head to one side if you don't see it at 
first). Smileys are used to denote emotions that might otherwise not be 
understood from the text, e.g. explicitly point out a statement is 
meant to be humorous. The three shown here denote humor, a wink, and 
sadness, respectively.
Questions & Answers

Q: What's up with all these different groups?

A: Due to the sheer volume of postings on the original newsgroups, a 
proposal was passed by Usenet readers in March of 1996 splitting 
rec.aquaria into several sub-groups. The official charter of the new 
groups can be found in our FAQ ANNEX. Meanwhile, the old group 
rec.aquaria has been phased out (effectively replaced by 
rec.aquaria.misc), so you should not post to it. Please avoid 
crossposting (posting to multiple newsgroups) whenever possible, 
especially to the .misc groups.
rec.aquaria.misc
A general discussion group for topics not covered by the other groups, 
and topics that are appropriate to more than one group (rather than 
crossposting). Post here if the topic doesn't fit neatly into the usual 
freshwater/marine division (notably brackish aquaria), but does not 
have a large enough following to warrant a separate newsgroup at this 
time. Post here if the topic is of broad interest to many types of 
aquarists. Also appropriate are such things as pointers to more 
specific newsgroups, ftp and web sites, and other ``meta-issues.'' If 
you don't know where to post it, it probably belongs here.
rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
Topics specific to freshwater aquaria which do not fit into one of the 
more specialized newsgroups, as well as topics which fit into multiple 
specific freshwater newsgroups.
rec.aquaria.marine.misc
Topics specific to marine aquaria which do not fit into one of the more 
specialized newsgroups, as well as topics which fit into multiple 
specific marine newsgroups.
rec.aquaria.marketplace
Allows ads to be found easily without burying or being buried in 
general discussion. Ads related to aquaria and aquarium products and 
inhabitants by private individuals and businesses.
rec.aquaria.tech
While the organisms and special techniques vary, both freshwater and 
marine aquaria face a similar set of fundamental problems and often 
rely on similar devices in their solution. Discussion about the 
technology of aquarium keeping, including homebuilt gadgets as well as 
commercial devices. Discussions of the technical details of such 
devices belong here, though the rationale for their use may be just as 
appropriate in another newsgroup.
rec.aquaria.freshwater.cichlids
All topics related to both old- and new-world cichlids.
rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish
All topics related to goldfish and their kin.
rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants
Another specialized group, home to any and all discussion about 
freshwater plants. Topics may span the entire range of beginner to 
expert. Samples: ``My goldfish keeps destroying my plants,'' ``How do 
you grow Echinodorus horemanii?''
rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
The fundamental division of the marine hobby is into reef and non-reef 
aquarists. This group provides a home for reef specialists while 
allowing non-reef aquarists to avoid the large number of reef related 
posts.
Q: What about alt.aquaria and sci.aquaria?

A: alt.aquaria is a historical remnant from the original newsgroup 
creation wars of 1989. The full story behind this is now a fascinating 
net.legend. We recommend that you not post to alt.aquaria as the 
rec.aquaria.* groups are in place. Nonetheless, the group continues to 
receive traffic more than two years after the revision.
Sci.aquaria's unofficial purpose is for more serious `scientific' 
discussion. Now that the new rec.aquaria.* groups are in place, there 
is no need to crosspost to sci.aquaria. This group receives very little 
traffic.

Q: Are there any other related groups? Mailing Lists? Chat Lines?

A: None of these other groups are sup****ted by this do***entation or 
any of its FAQs or archives, but they do have related themes:
rec.ponds -- keeping outdoor ponds (usually with Koi and goldfish)
alt.aquaria.killies -- keeping Killifishes.
alt.aquaria.oscars -- keeping Oscars. Group created mid-1998 by Mark 
Stone of Oscar Study Page fame.
alt.binaries.aquaria -- pictures, may not be carried by many servers.
There are also some E-mailing lists. Here are some we know about:
List Name	Server Address			   What to Send as Message Body

Discus-L	listserv@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   SUBSCRIBE Discus-L
BETTAS		listserv@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   SUBSCRIBE BETTAS Your Name
Cichlids	listserv@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
          subscribe cichlid Your Name
Dwarf Cichlids  apisto@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   subscribe Your Name
Aquatic Plants	majordomo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   subscribe aquatic-plants
Goldfish	goldfish-request@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 subscribe goldfish
Killies         majordomo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    subscribe killies

For instance, to subscribe to the Aquatic Plants list, send e-mail to 
majordomo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 with the line "subscribe aquatic-plants" as the 
message body. Finally, there
are interactive  ``chat'' services, such as  Fishroom, a classy virtual 
 meeting place resembling the  ultimate fish nerd's dream  house. 
Fishroom was set  up by Kevin
Carpenter,  and  is  accessible  24  hours   a  day.  Specialized  
groups  now  have  meeting  times  when  you  might  be   able  to  
talk  to  some  experts.  Simply

telnet                                                                  
    kplace.monrou.com                                                   
                   1025

and follow the directions. It is im****tant to telnet to ****t 1025, or 
else you will get a normal boring unix prompt. Further help is 
available on the WWW, or via anonymous ftp from 
ftp://kplace.monrou.com/pub/fishroom/.

Q: Can I post Non-commercial Advertisements?

A: Yes! There is a newsgroup just for you: rec.aquaria.marketplace, 
which is open to both commercial and private advertisements. Here are 
some guidelines:
Do not crosspost to the other newsgroups!
Since many are suspicious of people selling things on the net, be sure 
to include why the items are for sale, especially if a profit motive 
may be suspected.
If selling locally, include your location in the subject line 
(``US-NY-Buffalo'', for instance). This will help your intended buyer 
find you amongst all the posts.
It is advisable to limit the distribution of your post when the item is 
only of interest to a local area (for instance, a glass tank). This is 
done through your newsreader while composing your message.
Finally, after the item sells, you should delete (or cancel, as many 
newsreaders call it) your original posting. Again, this is done through 
the newsreader.
Q4: Can I post Commercial Advertisements?

A: If you are an aquarium-related business, as of the March 1996 
re-organization, you may post to rec.aquaria.marketplace without guilt. 
Beware, though, that non-advertisement posts from companies and their 
representatives may be subject to scrutiny by wary rec.aquaria.* 
readers. General guidelines for acceptable advertising on usenet can be 
found in the ADVERTISEMENT FAQ posted to news.announce.newusers. Here 
are some tips for keeping a friendly commercial presence on the 
rec.aquaria newsgroups:
Do not post or cross-post your advertisement to any of the 
rec.aquaria.* groups except for rec.aquaria.marketplace.
Retailers who are active participants of rec.aquaria.* can include a 
reference to their business in their message signature (or better yet, 
a reference to a WWW page). People can contact you or your web page 
directly if interested in your business. Netters generally do not get 
angry about this sort of advertisement.
If you respond to a post with a recommendation for your business, make 
sure to be clear that you are associated with that business (otherwise 
you are likely to get a bad reputation when your connection is 
discovered). It also goes without saying that your response should be 
relevant to the original post. :-)
E-mail advertising is never acceptable unless explicitly requested. If 
a reader didn't specifically ask for your advertisement, do not send it.
Q: Why did no one answer my questions?

A: This question is usually answered by ``YOU DIDN'T READ THE FAQ!'' 
The FAQs are a collection of do***ents that members of these newsgroups 
have written to answer questions that beginners ask ad nauseum. Before 
posting, please read the relevant FAQs to be sure what you wish to know 
has not been dealt with before. Despite the world-wide nature of 
rec.aquaria.*, there are in fact only a few dozen members who answer 
the vast majority of questions. They get tired of answering the same 
questions over and over, and more often than not will simply ignore 
questions that could have been answered by reading the FAQ.
Sometimes you won't get a reply if you haven't waited long enough; many 
people do not read rec.aquaria.* daily, and it can take a few days for 
the article to propagate to some hosts.

Another common cause of the unanswered post is a non-descriptive 
subject line or vague message content. With hundreds of messages posted 
daily to rec.aquaria.*, it is easy to ignore ``irrelevant'' subject 
lines such as ``Subject: My Fish''. Likewise, it is also im****tant to 
convey all the necessary information in the body of your message. See 
the section above on Posting to rec.aquaria.* for hints on improving 
your technique.

Finally, the reason may be that nobody really feels confident enough to 
answer your question, and everybody is hoping someone else will answer. 
If you mention that nobody answered a previous post, you may get a lot 
of answers. They may not be helpful, but you will get them!

Q5: Why did I get flamed?

A5: You may get flamed if you supply an ignorant answer to someone's 
question, or just general ``bad advice''. Bad questions usually are 
ignored, but bad answers are often flamed. You might also get flamed 
when discussing controversial issues.
Threads on rec.aquaria.* are open uncensored conversations between 
adults (and sub-adults of all ages) and so occasionally smart-ass 
replies and jabs are made. These are not strictly discouraged and to 
throw flames DOES NOT immediately cause one to be labeled a social 
pariah, but flames should be on-topic and delivered with a sense of 
humor. Neither is swearing totally unacceptable on the net but the use 
of swear words will quickly remove any semblance of humor from your 
flames. This may result in seriously hurt feelings, and so swearing is 
to be strongly discouraged. Also, a few smileys (where appropriate) can 
go a long way to save people's feelings.

Final Words

We hope that this introductory FAQ will improve your understanding of 
the rec.aquaria community, and make your interaction with other netters 
fun and productive. A great deal of time and thought has been devoted 
to making quality answers to the Frequently Asked Questions available 
at all times. A hurried post to the newsgroups might not yield an 
answer for days (if at all), but if you read the FAQs you may have an 
answer in minutes. Please give it a try!
[The FAQ Team can be reached by e-mail, but since we've been getting so 
many irrelevant requests for help with individual problems, the address 
will no longer be posted here.]

Copyright

The FAQs owe their existence to the contributors of the net, and as 
such it belongs to the readers of rec.aquaria and alt.aquaria. Articles 
with attributions are copyrighted by their original authors. Copies of 
the FAQs can be made freely, as long as it is distributed at no charge, 
and the disclaimers and the copyright notice are included.
 




 9 Posts in Topic:
Welcome to rec.aquaria.*
Andy Pastuszak <amp68@  2008-07-18 00:36:05 
Re: Welcome to rec.aquaria.*
expat <jackmeoffwithab  2008-07-30 12:36:11 
Re: Welcome to rec.aquaria.*
Andy Pastuszak <amp68@  2008-07-30 20:33:36 
Re: Welcome to rec.aquaria.*
George Patterson <grpp  2008-08-04 01:51:25 
Re: Welcome to rec.aquaria.*
John Smith <assemblywi  2008-08-04 08:13:41 
Re: Welcome to rec.aquaria.*
George Patterson <grpp  2008-08-05 02:10:01 
Re: Welcome to rec.aquaria.*
John Smith <assemblywi  2008-08-04 20:15:06 
Re: Welcome to rec.aquaria.* Vote for John Smith for USENET Kook
expat <jackmeoffwithab  2008-08-10 18:39:29 
Re: Welcome to rec.aquaria.* Vote for John Smith for USENET Kook
Gerardus <nospam@[EMAI  2008-08-17 15:51:14 

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