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gene <genepool@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> jim c wrote:
> > On Jul 3, 2:43 am, Billy <wildbi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> In article <ue2dnRYuYMlWiPHVnZ2dnUVZ_jidn...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Pavel314" <Pavel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>> "Billy" <wildbi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >>>
news:wildbilly-1D4F9C.22231801072008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> In article <UvCdnRXmQOXbUPfVnZ2dnUVZ_vOdn...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> >>>> "Pavel314" <Pavel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>>> I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape
vines
> >>>>> without
> >>>>> any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post.
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Paul
> >>>> http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm
> >>>> Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list.
> >>>> You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture
> >>>> department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely
someone
> >>>> who could or has im****ted it).
> >>>> If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn
> >>>> about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white
grapes
> >>>> into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot)
that is
> >>>> responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj.
> >>> Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is ****pon,
a
> >>> Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the
"sh"
> >>> sound
> >>> is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't
have
> >>> that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to be
> >>> available
> >>> everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't
im****ted
> >>> anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own.
> >>> Paul
> >> Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness,
mouth
> >> feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it
will
> >> have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless).
If
> >> the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11%
> >> alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have
> >> taste like?
> >> --
> >>
> >> Billy
> >> Bush and Pelosi Behind
> >>
Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.yo
> >> utube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
> >
> > Hi, I went to the KZ Goriska Brda - Dobrovo winery in Slovenia (which
> > is on the border with northern Italy) a couple of years ago as part of
> > my honeymoon ^_^. The climate is very close to that of mid northern
> > Italy.
> >
> > I didn't try wine from the varietal you mention unfortunately, but
> > tried many wines from their range. I think they are the biggest
> > cellar or even producer in the country and used giant stainless steel
> > tanks first. Subsequently they ferment in Oak barrels for the
> > european market and in steel tanks with oak chippings for the US
> > market. The guide told me that the American market seems to prefer
> > the taste that way.
> >
> > I know none of this helps the OP much, but I thought I'd chip in :)
> >
> > Jim
>
> I suppose a certain price point segment of the American market has
> gotten used to the more intense 'raw' taste of oak chip wine.
> I shudder that such an 'acquired taste' is now the preference for that
> segment.
>
> Gene
Most French and German wine sells for less than 5 euros ($7.50) or a
euro/liter at a co-op, in the country of origin. European oak barrels
cost $700 f.o.b. here in the US ($2.50/btl). Only the prestigious brands
can afford oak because otherwise if a small producer raises his/her
price by half a euro, the buyers will go to their neighbors to buy at
the old price.
Tank fermentation with oak chips isn't rare in this country either but
it is usually done with red wines. Usually, with white wines, one
doesn't want to obscure the fruit with oak. On the other hand, if the
wine doesn't have any fruit (poor fruit or practices), a little oak may
make the wine more interesting.
--
Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
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